Hotel Grand Chancellor is a story that needs to be told. Maybe a book
someday! It was finally announced on Wednesday but it is the story behind
the delay that is interesting.
This story also applies to the rebuilding and repair of Christchurch which
Fletcher Building are overseeing.
The tender was to RCP (project managers for council) but was passed over to
CERA once they arrived.
CERA is staffed entirely by Fletchers employees.
CERA delayed the announcement for a month to enable Fletchers to study the
other tenderers info & submit a late bid. The day it was submitted CERA
awarded them the tender.
Fletchers price was 3 million higher than anyone else’s!
Fletchers have no intention of doing the demolition, taking the risk, or
putting up the bond to cover the risk. They are just appointing themselves
as project managers to clip the ticket & then getting the original tender
winners to do the work.
How did they get away with it?
Do a companies search on Fletchers. (No – don’t bother we’ve done it for you
below).
They just got bought by the Reserve bank!
RBNZ owns 275 million Fletcher shares while Hugh Fletcher now only has 5000.
Its a SOE. A Govt department!!
They bought themselves an income stream. They direct all the profits from
the recovery straight into their own pockets instead of allowing the people
of ChCh to make a bit each to help them recover.
You have to admit it is clever!!
But how on earth did they keep it out of the media?: NZ’s largest Co gets
bought by Govt & it doesnt make even the tiniest news report? Really???
Something is rotten in the state of Denmark! (or in this case Canterbury!)
Meanwhile still no start to the demo & recovery after 3 months.
The books get fiddled while ChCh burns!
This is doing the rounds and will help you understand what a monstrous fraud
is being perpetrated here:
Subject: The books are being Fiddled while Christchurch’s future Burns!
Subject: FW: What is going on in Christchurch…. The real story
Here are a few questions for you to think about (oh, I’ll make it easy: I
will give you the answers as well)
Q. Who appointed RCP (Resource Coordination Partnership Ltd) as Project
Managers for the management of ‘critical buildings’ following the February
22nd earthquake?
A . Christchurch City Council under instructions of the NZ Government
Q . Who appointed CERA?
A . NZ Government.
Q . Who appointed Fletcher Building to manage the demolition works and
then, reconstruction works?
A . NZ Government firstly, then CERA
Q . Who is the main single shareholder of Fletcher Building?
A .. NZ Government. if in doubt check below:
Who is NZ Central securities Depository Ltd?
Q . Who called for the tenders for the demolition of the Grand Chancellor?
A . RCP
Q .. Who is to be the Principle to the demolition Contract (i.e. the
Payer)
A . The Crown (NZ Government).
Q .. Who assessed the Tenders for the Demolition of the Grand Chancellor?
A . RCP
Q . Who has been awarded the Grand Chancellor job (at whatever price and/
or conditions)?
A . Fletcher Building
Q . Who will make the profits?
A . Fletcher Building (and it’s Shareholders)
Q . Who is the main shareholder of Fletcher Building? (I know, I already
asked this one, but it could be a trick question)
A . NZ Government as the Reserve Bank of New Zealand(no trick question,
sorry)
Q . Who has been blind-sided?
A . Everyone involved in the (supposed) tender process firstly, but more
importantly, the people of Christchurch and New Zealand who thought that
they lived in a first-world economy.
Q . What are the ramifications?
A .. Immediate loss of confidence by all independent Consultants and
Contractors in the tender process if CERA, RCP or Fletcher Building are
involved jointly or singularly in a government sanctioned role, for fear of
a continued potential for a monopoly and huge profiteering there from.
Q . Who are the winners?
A . Fletcher Building and the NZ Government, along with the other
Financial institutions that form the majority shareholders in Fletcher
Building.
Q. Who are the losers?
A . The property owners, their tenants, clients and customers, along with
everyone in New Zealand who believes in a ‘level playing field’, all the
people of Christchurch, and all the people of New Zealand that have
supported, volunteered their time and/or donated their hard earned, tax-paid
monies to the recovery following the devastating events of February 22nd.
Q .. What should I do?
A .. If you care about living in a democratic, free market and transparent
economy, please send this on to everyone in your email address book who
needs to know what is happening.
As New Zealanders, exposure of this rout is our best protection.
Turbokitty's Blog 
May 31, 2011 @ 01:15:35
Q. How much money will the government invest back into a Christchurch rebuild?
A. Billions
You’ll get it back eventually, move on.
Jan 11, 2012 @ 11:34:07
Some people cant move on as they have nothing 2 move on with. It will be the tax payer, that will be paying for he rebuild not the govt. When it comes do 2 it the govt dont really care about the people affected.
Jan 11, 2012 @ 16:48:10
The people are the Government first of all, if the people want results then the are going to have to elect representatives that will vote in the people’s best interests. What that means is the people are going to have research their candidates and/or find candidates that are not only authentic but also forward thinking.
Jan 12, 2012 @ 19:08:54
Yes the Goverment will put the money back into Christchurch, but where is that money coming from? NZ is in so much debt that the money to rebuild is coming from the Cantabs thats are already in strife… Tax will go up, rent goes up, rates go up… income stays the same…
no a great place to be in…
Jan 13, 2012 @ 22:37:42
Why don’t you buy my house at pre 4th September 2010 and wait for that money to come back to you.
By the way still waiting on repairs from 4th September price from our friends at Fletchers so if it is going to come back for sure. Give me your money and wait for the money and repairs to come back to you.
I’d love to do something else and you don’t seem to mind.
Thanks for your help on that one very much appreciated.
Aug 28, 2012 @ 22:06:49
The short of it, regardless, nothing is happening in Chch apart from the residents getting shafted by the government. š¦
Feb 14, 2015 @ 09:04:25
So nearly four years after your comment you should ask the same question again. So far we have seen bugger all. š
Jun 02, 2011 @ 03:12:12
Sure they will … just like the Katrina survivors and the BP victims … sure they will ….
Jan 12, 2012 @ 03:34:30
“The people are the Government” – you are kidding TurboKitty!, the biggest load of idealistic bullshit I’ve ever read. You must be on drugs..
Jun 02, 2011 @ 04:40:19
Hi can you please email me regarding this matter.
Thanks
Jun 02, 2011 @ 06:27:49
what can I do for you?
Jun 02, 2011 @ 04:52:46
This is the story of the National-ACT state monopoly money-go-round.. feeding out to big stakeholders exclusively. Thanks Turbokitty for investigating.
Wealth is forever(?) being sucked out of this town; a dessicated and broken husk remains..
Voters need to change the system significantly, to begin the rebuild of community – that only community can build: clean, green, energy-efficient open space with low, safe structures, secure jobs and training opportunities, and diverse and vibrant culture.
Declare the Republic of Canterbury for ChristChurch rebirth: http://rocparty.org ~ 2011
Jun 04, 2011 @ 10:05:34
Apparently this was all a hoax – see Sue Well’s Blog and letter from Cera saying it was all incorrect????
Jun 04, 2011 @ 15:14:52
Thank you for the levity Jane … good to see we all haven’t lost our sense of humor or at least our irony or sarcasm *_-
Jun 07, 2011 @ 19:31:17
This is already an urban myth, please find out the truth before you share disinformation.
Jun 07, 2011 @ 21:15:09
apparently it’s not an urban myth because it came from an actual observer.
Jun 08, 2011 @ 09:07:45
Karla well put, it would be interesting to see if the person that is perpetuating this rumor has the spine to come out and make these allegations publicly? If not, why notā¦.because they could be baseless and there could be some sour grapes? why not ask that question?
Jun 09, 2011 @ 20:55:19
The ownership is true I checked it out at the Companies Office. Also look at the rest of the owners JP Morgan, CityBank and all of the other financial parasites who are going to leach money out. Naomi Klein (Disaster Capitalism) is alive and pumping in New Zealand.
This is not what generations of my family fought wars for (and some died). Looks like we have two choice, Fight again or go out and stock up on Vaseline
Jan 12, 2012 @ 07:37:54
People really should get their facts straight here about Fletchers …. and if you can use a computer to post here …. you should be able to view an annual report.
The owner of the shares is not the Reserve Bank, it’s in fact the NZ Super Fund, which is administered by the Reserve Bank. They are a major shareholder in many NZ companies, not just Fletchers. It’s amazing how gullible some people are to believe the ramblings of an misinformed and I’m picking bitter person.
People …. Google is your friend here …. do some research of your own and make up your own mind!
Mar 31, 2012 @ 04:05:16
Reserve bank is one of 10 shareholders, not the major shareholder and also apparently the only NZ shareholder – all the others are Australian. But I gguess if you’re going to believe in a conspiracy, you’re not going to check the facts – right?
Jan 12, 2012 @ 11:03:04
(Two thumbs up)
Jan 11, 2012 @ 21:28:17
Just checking a few Facts here…
On the NZ Companies office Fletcher building has 10 shareholders.
BNZ has around 300K shares out of a 730K share pool.
The other 9 shareholders are Australian so that takes the cake!
Its one thing to tilt the table your way buts its another to cut of your nose to spite your face.
Jan 11, 2012 @ 21:52:59
Hi KittyTurbo u make good sense to me…Its what i have been saying all along…These people who are in control of this god forsaken mess of Christchurch and who wish to corrupt and conspire with the so called Nz Government will have short lives themselves….KARMA…The greedy and needy are monitered closley by us Psychics…..We know whats going down! truly….
Jan 11, 2012 @ 22:31:07
Well said Waddy. The problem with this story is not that it is not true to some extent(its not an urban myth, that is just what is put about) is that the government can quite rightly claim they do not own Fletchers.
People still believe the Reserve bank is part of the government. LIke the majority of the worlds central banks it is privately owned or at least a Hybrid(set up by govt but run by private groups for their own benefit).
Those behind the central banks are the groups such as Waddy outlines. They are the ones who get the world into finanicial strife then have to be bailed out.
right now the world is in the greatest transfer of wealth & power that has ever happened & most people can not see it. Much of it is dismissed as conspiracy theory..
Yet one of the top conspiracy theorists is at present really starting to make an impact on the US presidential republican race. By name of Dr Ron Paul.
Google Mike Maloney’s interview with Ron Paul. it might just open your eyes to what is really happening. Because what he describes in the US is what is happening around the rest of the world.
there were seven countries that owned their own central bank in about the year 2000. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Iran & North Korea. some will say that they are not great countries. Havign worked in Iraq it was never as it was portrayed as having been.
The western world actually supports govts worse than all those (yes even NOrth Korea) yet nothing much is said about those countries or if it is it is hushed up real quick.
as long as you sign up to the banking cartel control then you are ok.
Jan 12, 2012 @ 02:33:31
Dusty, nice conspiracy theory, however if you actually check the RBNZ’s website FAQ, you will see that the RBNZ is 100% wholly owned by the NZ government. (and it’s revenue goes directly into crown accounts)
Here is the link
http://www.rbnz.govt.nz/faqs/0149175.html
Jan 12, 2012 @ 18:51:43
I’ll bet its all masonic bollocks. Christchurch is a very masonic place (Anglican?). They will be pulling out now and as somebody above says. They will leave a banged-out husk of a city. Its more like Doctor Who than real world. But I bet that is what is really going on.
Jan 12, 2012 @ 22:23:44
Ron Paul is not a “conspiracy theorists”:)
He actually showing the conspiracy that has been taking place for CENTURIES..
Peace.
Jan 12, 2012 @ 23:28:30
Ron Paul is a member of the John Birch Society, a Koch Brothers fund’s recipient and a racist.
Jan 13, 2012 @ 00:52:46
You stupid, stupid woman. Ron Paul is a racist? based on what? the 20 year old publication written by someone else? or based on his libertarian ideals that only individuals have rights, not groups?
Since you’re speculating based on nothing at all… I’m going to have a crack at you. You’re probably a fat middle aged divorcee drawing a benefit. Got behind socialism because you never matured intellectually. IQ 90 max. ammiright??
Jan 13, 2012 @ 02:32:00
Back to front: My IQ is 162, I’m not fat nor am I unemployed or divorced. We’re all important or none of us are … do some research … Ron Paul is a Lyndon LaRouche affiliate and supporter … you might want to look up A)the Supremacy Clause, B)what a Republic is and C)what kind of Republic America is on Wikipedia and if you’re really interested in what I look like, just click the link … I’m the one wearing purple
Jan 12, 2012 @ 00:32:28
Perhaps you should also look at the insurance situation. The body that you have to go to in order to complain about your insurance company is the Insurance Council. The Vice-President of the Insurance Council is Jackie Johnson the CEO of IAG (now the new owner of AMI and the largest single insurance holding in NZ – almost a monopoly given they also have State and Tower). Oh and then there’s the fact that the Chair of IAG, Hugh Fletcher, is on the Board of Directors of the Reserve Bank of NZ.
Trouble getting your quake claim settled? Yeah well you have NO where to go.
Jan 12, 2012 @ 12:17:30
That’s disgusting. How can anyone get a truly fair deal if the directors are all in each others back pockets?
Jan 12, 2012 @ 01:21:23
turbo kitty awesome work check our cera the US based private company some details on my fb site who aalso working on post earthquake work in chch
Jan 12, 2012 @ 02:01:02
This is not a myth. I was a demolition contractor with no work whatsoever after the earthquakes because of brand new compliance issues enforced by CERA and to get new CERA “accreditation” took over a month, in the meantime fletchers fenced off the centre of the city and took over the entire red zone
Jan 12, 2012 @ 03:14:29
Hi Dusty
Great assessment and of the fact that NZ does not own the New Zealand Reserve Bank. Always follow the money trail and you will find you answer!!!
Jan 12, 2012 @ 03:45:51
This is the reason I started my companies at http://www.gain2u.com and http://www.nzcong.com. This will even the playing field and there is strength in numbers. Together Everyone Achieves More (TEAM). Let us join forces to STOP this from happening in the future.
Jan 12, 2012 @ 04:08:30
this is total bull… the first thing they got wronng is saying that cera is staffed entirely by flechters… thats crap. its made up of alot of other company staff like beca, flecthers, opus and a few others..this guy has his “facts” all wrong
Jan 13, 2012 @ 22:54:59
There are also large areas of CERA that have nothing to do with construction, for example departments that deal with Community Wellbeing. What I’ve seen there are academics and public health experts, nothing to do with Fletchers.
Jan 12, 2012 @ 04:38:18
So are you going to run for prime minister ?
Jan 12, 2012 @ 06:16:02
The reserve Bank does not own any shares. Its a clearing house for international companies who wish to own NZ shares. In brief, NZClear is a real-time settlement system which members access from their premises. Each member has a security account on the system which records the securities ālodged with New Zealand Central Securities Depository Limitedā (NZCSD), a custodian, fully owned by the RBNZ. NZCSD becomes the legal owner of the securities on the relevant register and holds securities on behalf of the member, the beneficial owner. The inventory of securities held in the depository currently stands at around NZD92 billion.
So itās very clear, the government is not āthe beneficial ownerā of Fletcher Building shares or any other shares held under the NZClear system.Fletcher Building has won just the one demolition contract, for the Hotel Grand Chancellor, and hasnāt been involved with any other demolition work in the central city. There is a vast amount of demolition work being done in and around Christchurch, almost all without Fletcherās involvement.
Some correct answers to questions in the email which has been circulating are below:
Q. Who appointed RCP (Resource Coordination Partnership Ltd) as Project
Managers for the management of ācritical buildingsā following the February
22nd earthquake?
Christchurch City Council appointed RCP to help project manage the demolition process.
Q . Who appointed Fletcher Building to manage the demolition works and
then, reconstruction works?
Fletchers have not been appointed to any such role.
Q . Who called for the tenders for the demolition of the Grand Chancellor?
Originally the owner, then Civil Defence was working through the tender process. Since its establishment, CERA has been coordinating the tender process.
Q . Who was/is to be the Principle to the demolition Contract (i.e. the
Payer)
CERA is the principle. However, all costs associated with the Grand Chancellor demolition will be recovered from the owner.
Q . Who assessed the Tenders for the Demolition of the Grand Chancellor?
Initially Civil Defence appointed engineers in association with the ownerās engineers.
It then went to CERA appointed engineers in association with the ownerās engineers.
A recommendation was then made to CERA and the owner before a final decision was made.
Q . Who has been awarded the Grand Chancellor job (at whatever price and/
or conditions)?
Fletcher Construction Company. The contract is worth in excess of $10 million ā this was stated openly by the owner of the Hotel Grand Chancellor when the contract was awarded.
Q . Who has been blind-sided?
The tender process was, and is, an open tender process. It was done with all due care and with impartiality. The preferred contractor was awarded the contract based on the best deconstruction solution for the Grand Chancellor. The ultimate decision was the ownerās.
Jan 13, 2012 @ 11:01:35
Here’s a man clearly with his head screwed on the right way and has all the FACTS good to see there still out there.
some one buy him a beer already
Turbokitty chew on this for a while
“The tender process was, and is, an open tender process. It was done with all due care and with impartiality. The preferred contractor was awarded the contract based on the best deconstruction solution for the Grand Chancellor. The ultimate decision was the ownerās”.
Jan 13, 2012 @ 16:39:53
This story was sent to me as an anonymous email … I verified it with a friend who lives in NZ … I don’t live there, I live in the USA. I have found that even the most outlandish stories deserve some research, if for no other reason than to quell my own misgivings.
Jan 13, 2012 @ 14:04:46
Nice reply thanks
Jan 12, 2012 @ 07:13:02
ur a f*cking dickhead mate. the reason the hotel grand chancellor took so long to get demo’d was because scaffolders were inside propping up the inside of the building so it doesn’t fall down. i know this because i have talked to the owner of the scaffold company. maybe you should do more research before you waste your time and everyone elses.
Jan 12, 2012 @ 23:58:36
I don’t know exactly who the idiot is … however … I’m not approving this comment without some back story to it … name calling is ridiculous without a target and without giving the target a chance to respond and/or defend themselves
Jan 13, 2012 @ 00:05:48
WOW oh no ..
Jan 13, 2012 @ 00:09:28
You thought I wasn’t paying attention maybe? Fill out your commentary please … thank you =)
Jan 13, 2012 @ 00:13:05
very valid point ceekay! I think that you should of wrote this website!!
Jan 13, 2012 @ 00:18:06
You wouldn’t happen to be on Topix too … would you ?
Jan 13, 2012 @ 00:20:20
The grand chancellor kicks arse
Jan 13, 2012 @ 00:12:44
name calling is rediculous but you let that Nick guy call you a “Dickhead”??
Jan 13, 2012 @ 00:13:45
i know where you live… i can see you
Jan 13, 2012 @ 00:17:15
Something like Palin can see Russia from her back porch, no doubt … it’s cold here and it’s warm where you are … color me jealous
Just as some added information … I happen to be female *_-
Jan 14, 2012 @ 07:31:12
How do you know …?
Jan 14, 2012 @ 17:31:49
How does who know what?
Jan 13, 2012 @ 00:15:55
What this pertains to is to whom the comment is directed …
Jan 13, 2012 @ 00:19:19
Hmm, the hint with “Kitty” in your username didn’t give that one away…
Jan 13, 2012 @ 02:33:03
you’d be surprised at how many people just don’t get that I’m female, even from the nickname …
Jan 12, 2012 @ 07:53:22
Its fools like you that just feed into peoples fear and insecurities…..
So you make your claims..
Simple question .How would you run the recovery..I strongly suspect you could not even comprehend some of the job descriptions involved …let alone restructure and improve….
Oh and your right the CIA did drop the twin towers……Idiot!!
Jan 12, 2012 @ 08:53:34
This blog post is total bullshit and was debunked in an article in The Press in June 2011. Do some f*cking research before trying to inspire hysteria. Muppet.
Jan 12, 2012 @ 09:38:22
Im a tradesman who does repair work for EQC/Fletchers on residentual. I have never encountered such tightly budgeted allowances for my work, It would seem the job manager (usually builder) is in with the Fletchers crowd and has no concerns about about adding their extras(variations) to benefit themselves and Fletchers. They seem to replace items with alot poorer quality/cheaper options where they can get away with it. But I am having constant debates about standard procedures/systems i use to get the job done properly as i normally would. i.e there is no allowances for that, your standard price you charge is all we will allow, things such as finishing products which are standard installations are not allowed for im told. But i will not be dictated to, im am a free man. I have never given authority to someone to command unconditionaly what i will be paid for my efforts. I am a fair man and expect nothing less than what i offer to others. These are YOUR homes people, don’t let THEM replace anything with something substandard. YOU have the right to say “I dont agree, that is unacceptable”
Jan 12, 2012 @ 12:11:26
A large corporation moves quickly after a disaster to profit as much as possible in the aftermath, as shock and awe renders most everyone else incapable of deciding what to do next.
A Govt supports the company and works it to their advantage, as politicians are not politicians forever and need to line their pockets while they can, meanwhile the majority of the general public remain incapacitated by the disaster and unable to take steps to stop the profiteering, the corporation doing the rebuild will do the cheapest job it can so as to maximise profits and thereby reward its shareholders be they individuals or institutions.
Later the general public finally has the chance to pause from a period of frantic recovery and realise that the corporation has the advantage and nothing can really be done halt them, people begin protesting and talking about democracy and their rights, but in the end no-one in power cares..
While there is money to be made the regular hard-working person will be taken advantage of and required to suffer through it, there is not new, the world over its happening, anywhere a disaster has occurred or a war has been fought companies and individuals are profiting massively from it whilst spouting rhetoric about democratic principles and their right to make a profit and trying to fear sell the possibility that without the ‘freedom’/’environment’ to do so, some other terrible extreme political will reign – fascism, communism etc will be the only alternative
Extreme Capitalism – profit at any cost, to principles, to people, to the environment is negative and unsustainable. All you can do is run for Government, conceive and campaign utilitarian principles in the interests of the community, in the interests of the environment, do not be swayed by kick backs and commercial opportunities that will open up if such an event as this earthquake happens ‘on your watch’.
Aspire to be comfortable, not to be rich, only then will the situation that has eventuated here in Christchurch be stopped from happening again. Because in the end all your buster/outrage/hurt/loss will come to nothing and this event be consigned to history.
Jan 12, 2012 @ 14:18:53
Oh I do love a conspiracy theory,
Fact 1, the government are the people, we pay taxes which is spent by the government on our behalf.
fact 2, The reserve bank is not owned by overseas interest. It is a full government Department the same as Winz, Health Dept etc.
fact 3. The government is controlling the rebuild of CHCH for the simple fact that the CCC isnt big enough, and its not a local disaster its a national disaster.
Fact 4. It is far better to have 1 company in control even if all they are is project managers, that is just plain common sense, ask anyone who has ever done a major build.
fact 5. Yes the NZ Superfund is a major shareholder in Fletchers as they are in all of New Zealands major companies, so what.
If I want to read a good conspiracy novel, I will read The Da Vinci Code.
Some people need to get a grip on reality, not everything on the net or news is true.
Jan 12, 2012 @ 18:29:59
The RBNZ do not own shares in FBU. As for the rest of it, it is a conspiracy theory, At best.
Jan 12, 2012 @ 20:45:26
despite the debate of who is right or wrong? there are people out there making a lot of money on the backs of Christchurch residents before a stone is even being turned? JENNY SHIPLEY the former leader of THE NATIONAL PARTY is an Executive of CERA and they are allocating WORK/EMPLOYMENT to Australia Residents?
Jan 12, 2012 @ 21:20:44
well yeah, so what? at least the money is going to stay on shore!
Jan 14, 2012 @ 19:05:39
Yeah right!
Jan 12, 2012 @ 21:25:20
Fletcher Building is one of the only companies in NZ that has enough resources to effectively and efficiently project manage some of these huge demolitions. I personally worked on the Grand Chancellor demolition and it was very much a joint effort by Fletcher’s and the sub-contractor. In no way are they ‘clipping the ticket’ and getting a free lunch. In a tender process it is often not the cheapest that wins it, other considerations like speed the project will be completed, safety considerations, resources, and past track records with such projects. Some of these smaller emerging companies trying to make a buck off the earthquake may well have been cheaper but there is no way they will have had the required experience and expertise at hand to undertake the Chancellor which was/is a very complicated demoition.
Jan 12, 2012 @ 21:38:36
its a load of bollocks ,reserve bank doesnt own fletchers…..great story as but all all crap
Jan 12, 2012 @ 22:41:45
It’s just like war, so much money to be made for the Corporate in the rebuilding of nations.For example corporate HALLIBURTON makes a killing from Iraq war. It’s called PROBLEM-REACTION-SOLUTION….They covertly create the chaos problem…there is reaction…and then they say they have the solution….usually through burrowing more money at high interest rates through foreign Mafia run BANKING CARTELS. Its all about making money.
What a joke this society has become movie stars and sportsman and other manipulative forces get paid millions for doing what? bloody nothing
While the average joe scarp’s a living and gets blood sucked like a tick paying for all our insurance and taxes and house interest rates and loans etc.
politics=POLY TICKS(many bloodsucking organisms).
Jan 12, 2012 @ 23:11:46
This is funny.. everyone is entitled to their opinion/s..
Easy fix, pack up and leave or stop watching the news and find a hobbie š
Jan 12, 2012 @ 23:21:09
CERA is not staffed entirly by Fletcher emplpyees anf i know this for a certainty
Jan 12, 2012 @ 23:48:54
Great reporting !
Jan 13, 2012 @ 00:35:37
Hyden
Until you ‘ve actually been in a war zone….perhaps leave your sensationalist rhetoric at the door…
Jan 13, 2012 @ 04:46:27
Its not rhetoric
it’s the complex war machine that president Eisenhower and both JFK warned about.
As JFK STATED…Without debate, without criticism, no Administration and no country can succeed and no republic can survive. That is why the Athenian lawmaker Solon decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink from controversy
Have a listen.
Feb 09, 2015 @ 19:10:30
Maybe you should bloody wake up, you so alseep in dream time buddy.
Jan 13, 2012 @ 00:51:36
Theres always one person to stir the pot….. what would we do without conspiracy therioes. “Elvis and JFK” really would just be DEAD!!
Feb 09, 2015 @ 19:13:15
why dont you wake up and stop being an ignorant fool, people like you keep the lie going, truth hurts but it is far better than the actions caused by ignorant fools like you , im sick of people like you in this world who are so brainwashed by the system you cannot think for yourself, once again listen to what JFK had to say. he knew alot more than you buddy.
Feb 09, 2015 @ 19:18:06
CIA Invention of the Phrase, āConspiracy Theoryā to Block Questions on JFKās Assassination, is āOne of the Most Successful Propaganda Initiatives of All Time.ā
Jan 13, 2012 @ 03:23:18
god u people ramble on about some bullshit who the fuk cares anyway. none of your thoughts or theories are gonna get you anywhere so jst harden the fuck up and get over it and let the city get there on its own even if it takes 20 years!!!
Jan 13, 2012 @ 04:22:19
It really makes me laugh to hear naive small minded up themselves New Zealanders trying to pretend to themselves that all is hunky dory with CERA and the rebuild.
You are living through a conspiracy fact,your Pm is a Friedmanite money lender and wont let government get in the way, and with a personal fortune of $300.000.000,do you think he cares about your future?
WAKE UP!
PS: it’s taken a foreign national to point this out,nice work Turbo Kitty.
Jan 13, 2012 @ 06:55:38
I can’t validate many of the statements made in this report but…It is not unusual for RCP to be appointed by the Govt, nor is it unusual for RCP to evaluate Tenders and award to the company MOST CAPABLE of managing this massive project. Several of the largest NZ construction firms are involved not just Fletcher, e.g. Fulton Hogan and Downer.
OK you could say that putting a huge amount of work into one company is not good, however this is an unusual event with a huge impact on the whole of NZ.
Also, many smaller companies are working there including the company I work for. Some of this report is almost “tabloid press”. BTW, to say that CERA is entirely Fletcher employees is incorrect…see:
http://cera.govt.nz/about-cera/management-team
Also Duncan Gibb is the Christchurch Infrastructure Rebuild Team Alliance manager. I worked with Duncan on the SH20 Mt Roskill Project 6years ago and he is one very capable person, even for an Aussie.
I recommend that people really ought to do some homework before taking this report too seriously. Would you rather a private company owned by majority offshore shareholders made all the profit and took it offshore?
Jan 13, 2012 @ 09:14:39
And through all this not once is the actual company who is taking down the building mentioned, How much research was done.
Jan 13, 2012 @ 10:20:35
http://www.rebuildchristchurch.co.nz/blog/2011/6/press-release-regarding-fletcher-construction-and-the-grand-chancellor
Jan 13, 2012 @ 10:37:01
Jesus christ, as if chch don’t have enough to deal with, now you are all running around complaining about who gets to rebuild.Get over it!! who ever leaked the “tender amount” is in serious breach of their employment contract, i take all of this with a pinch of salt and even then that’s too much………
Jan 13, 2012 @ 10:50:52
Hi,
Q) If Fletcher’s is being paid by the government to do this work but Fletcher’s is owned by the government then profits from Fletcher’s should just go back to the government.
Can you please explain if I’ve gone wrong with this and if I’m right why it is such a big issue, I don’t get who’s making a profit from this?
Jan 13, 2012 @ 12:26:53
Ah right, I see what you’ve done here, you’ve mistaken opinion, assumptions and logical fallacies as being fact. Don’t beat yourself up about it though, it’s commonly done. It is a slight shame however as there’s no doubt some actual fact hidden in there somewhere, it’s just quite difficult to identify it amongst the rest of the nonsense.
Jan 13, 2012 @ 19:28:13
That must be why the hourly rate for painters/plasterers & builders has just been cut from $45 to $27 – there wont be many contractors wanting to complete work for them now which is going to equal more delays for anyone wanting to get their home repaired.
Jan 13, 2012 @ 19:38:19
What did people expect? We live in a corrupt banana republic after all. Look at how it started with Brownlee demanding, and getting, double pay for the top people and saying they would not do the job for less, before he had even asked them! In any company in the world he would have been sacked for that but not in the NZ govt.
Jan 13, 2012 @ 22:41:35
‘CERA is staffed entirely by Fletcher employees’ – not even close to true! I stopped reading right there, sorry.
Jan 13, 2012 @ 23:25:36
I live in chch been here through every earthquake and aftershock…i dont care where the money comes from or whos ripping off who just fix my fuckn city
Jan 14, 2012 @ 04:19:10
to the debunkers….do you guys actually believe our government give to fucks about joe-blows redzoned house in bexley..we haven’t even got a early warning system in place to detect tsunami’s.seems to me all of these offshore quakes would warrant the investment..mind you if the east side did get wiped out the insurance assholes would have a lot less people to pay out.
Jan 14, 2012 @ 21:54:46
This is a whole lot of shit
Jan 16, 2012 @ 20:50:32
So in summary what youre saying is that the government is paying for all this, to be done by a company where any profits (or part if) made will go back to the government. And that this will likely mean that the government doesn’t need to use up every last taxpayer dollar to pay for the Christchurch rebuild and may have some money left for say healthcare, education etc etc?? Gosh that’s sounds so unfair (sarcasm)!! Business is business and whatever makes the most economic sense usually wins and this might not be fair to other companies who put in tenders but sure sounds fair to this taxpayer AND Cantabrian.
Jan 17, 2012 @ 01:02:26
I live in christchurch and if my government is smart enough to retain some of the cost in this manner e.g. buying the lead contract company for the job, I would rather see that than some austrailian or american company taking that money offshore into the private sector. As long as they fix it eventually then YAAY!
Jan 18, 2012 @ 10:23:00
It’s no supprise that Fletchers have been involved in such dealings, I have to say I rather it’s a New Zealand comany than the nonsence that’s going on with EQC, who have set up call centres in Aussie… ? what the hell…. as far as I am concerned EQC is the biggest screw up I’ve seen.
Jan 18, 2012 @ 22:48:39
This is all conspiratorial nonsense which you would have discovered if you had bothered to ask the Reserve Bank about what NEW ZEALAND CENTRAL SECURITIES DEPOSITORY LIMITED actually does.
This is the RBNZ response I got from them yesterday –
“The Reserve Bank and NZCSD do not have a beneficial interest in these securities, with the ownership rights and investment risk …lying with the beneficial owners, who are free to deal with the securities in the system.
To summarise, NZCSD is merely a custodian trustee which administers the shares on behalf of the beneficial owners, with the NZClear system allowing beneficial owners to electronically settle transactions of the securities that have been lodged into NZCSDās name.
Members of the NZClear system include banks, fund managers, custodians, trustee companies, investment funds and insurance companies etc.”
On top of this I did some further digging and found that NZCSD was also listed as a major shareholder in more companies. These included The Warehouse, Sanford Ltd, and Restaurant Brands (the owners of KFC and Pizza Hutt).
Do you honestly think the Government has major shareholdings in these businesses when the National party has stated quite openly that it wishes to divest itself of stakes in other assets? Why would they bother owning Pizza Hutt or The Warehouse? What possible benefit do they get from this?
Jan 19, 2012 @ 08:23:10
You lost me at “Bank” … I live in America and you ought to see what the banks are doing to my country …
May 10, 2012 @ 08:41:50
There are a couple of facts here with a lot of fiction. The guts of the situation is that while it may not be perfect, a rebuild like this needs the big players involved (Bob the Builder with his hammer and $1 paid up capital cant take ownership of the contract!).
Jul 17, 2013 @ 20:59:12
Wow, this post is nice, my younger sister is analyzing these things, so I am going
to inform her.
Feb 14, 2015 @ 22:35:11
I hope she studied the truth and not the crock of scat that this blog utters!
Feb 08, 2015 @ 04:12:35
we now live in a very corrupt country. thank john key
Feb 08, 2015 @ 17:00:16
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Feb 09, 2015 @ 19:17:01
I cant believe al l the brainwashed sheeple on this blog who accept the main paradigm like it gospel. bloody wake up “CIA Invention of the Phrase, āConspiracy Theoryā to Block Questions on JFKās Assassination, is āOne of the Most Successful Propaganda Initiatives of All Time.ā
WAKEY WAKEY KIWI SHEEPLE, SOME OF YOU KIWIS SHOULD BE CALLED SHEEPLE INSTEAD BECAUSE YOU FOLLOW THE LEADERS LIKE BLIND SHEEP LOL
Feb 10, 2015 @ 09:03:47
Ive just being in a major pollution hearing with many submitters , the Auckland council , Beca , the residents who cop this , RMA lawyers some major land developers , politicians , the looming unitary plan , the EPA , let me say this , the corruptness sleazy, side swapping corporations in this country is shameful , the guilt and shame on our people in power is plain to see , its easy to see, its easy to hear , gutless tones and cheating faces , double meaning sentences and tricky words to confuse the honest man in the street , NZERS are a suppressed divided community , we r weak we don’t unite , we whinge and bitch and send emails , history is violent and ideals are only kum by yah holding hands walking into the sunset glib flowery chicken turd , NZRS need to unite in numbers , attack the buildings of these sick gutless bureaucratic f/tards and learn them a lesson , don’t f#>k with the masses , ie like they do in Argentina/Colombia/Brazil/Spain, etc , This issue like many others is the masses fault, the gutless public who snivel but wont pick up the fighting tools of old . overtaken suppressed by the cunning ..
Feb 12, 2015 @ 20:49:08
I am more concerned about the elevated cost of permanent accommodation in CHCH that has happened since the quakes by opportunist property owners at a time when lower income people have had enough to deal with without the extra stress of higher rents etc Our govt hasn’t lifted a finger to address this ( after the CHCH quakes being labelled a national disaster not a local one) the mighty dollar rules everything it appears no matter what the circumstances even in NZ ” from dissension envy hate and corruption guard our state make our country good and great” Those who govern our money systems stand singing this in public on so many occasions yet there is not much good in their intentions. As for the corruption, well whatever is truly going on behind doors closed to public scrutiny of deals about CHCH the majority of us the ordinary public aren’t going to understand the jargon of anyway. Speculating on who got contracts and why requires a level of education in both political and building technology so it pays to be certain of all the facts before trying to break down the gathered info into the language we the ordinary NZer understand Yes There are a lot o questions to be asked about many things since the CHCh quakes but for a lot of us who went through them we don’t have the time or understanding now to delve into it so please those of you who do give us 100 percent facts
Feb 13, 2015 @ 10:48:18
The problem is that kiwis think that there government really dos work for them and cares about them when in reality they r run by the foreign reserve bank of the USA just like Australia , wake up ppl
Feb 15, 2015 @ 01:09:13
big money big corruption all run by Brittan through America its fractional banking at its best we are getting fucked over as the rest of the world jhon key worth 8 million when he came into power now look fucken wake people
Feb 15, 2015 @ 01:16:59
why do you think there are only a few media corporations out there the internet a good thing for getting the truth out there but the watching you better believe it money in war money
Feb 17, 2015 @ 02:20:55
If you Ain’t been through it then shut your mouth,I have and we lost out big time and have to pay for it in years to come,government are the criminals here,
Feb 17, 2015 @ 23:52:44
I’m curious, how much of this is actual fact based upon stringent research, such as OI Requests, governmental policy advisement and legislative reading?While i have no doubt that the government does some dodgy shit at times, i’m also not going to believe a blog which has shown NO evidence, ie links to legitimate sources, not to wikipedia and another blog, and sounds like the rantings of a crazed conspiracy theorist. Perhaps if you showed where you got your information from then people like me would be more likely to believe you. Show the trail of evidence before you make accusations. I’m just saying.
Feb 19, 2015 @ 23:07:19
the statement “RBNZ owns 275 million Fletcher shares” is untrue, a lie. fletchers is ripping us off and the govt are having a land grab yes but a lie is still a lie
Sep 02, 2017 @ 16:05:28
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